Comments on: http://gowers.openrightsgroup.org/2006-03/6/ Open Rights Group Fri, 21 Apr 2006 15:33:54 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9.2 hourly 1 By: James http://gowers.openrightsgroup.org/2006-03/6/comment-page-1/#comment-45 James Tue, 18 Apr 2006 18:26:25 +0000 http://gowers.openrightsgroup.org/?p=6#comment-45 Well spotted! Patent "trolls" must be (somehow) cut out of the system - though, unfortunately, the way things are heading at the moment they will be granted further legitimisation. These "companies" are the terrorists of the patent system and their patents of mass destruction usually cause grief for both the big boys *and* the little guy. How to resolve it? Well, require patent holders to use their patents actively and not just sit and sue. Well spotted! Patent “trolls” must be (somehow) cut out of the system – though, unfortunately, the way things are heading at the moment they will be granted further legitimisation. These “companies” are the terrorists of the patent system and their patents of mass destruction usually cause grief for both the big boys *and* the little guy. How to resolve it? Well, require patent holders to use their patents actively and not just sit and sue.

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By: Chris Foster http://gowers.openrightsgroup.org/2006-03/6/comment-page-1/#comment-25 Chris Foster Thu, 16 Mar 2006 21:55:26 +0000 http://gowers.openrightsgroup.org/?p=6#comment-25 At the point of inception I would suggest it is very difficult to differentiate between a 'defensive' and 'innovative' patent. I have seen research that has resulted in patents that become part of a companies defensive patent portfolio. At the time of research, the development was being done for innovative reasons, but for reasons of cost, strategy etc the innovation is put on the backburner over time. Hence it is likely to be difficult to stipulate what is a 'defensive' patent and what is an 'innovative' patent, particularly at the time of filing, and it is difficult to see how this can be resolved without making the patent system even more unwieldy (e.g reviewing the use of a patent over time) At the point of inception I would suggest it is very difficult to differentiate between a ‘defensive’ and ‘innovative’ patent.

I have seen research that has resulted in patents that become part of a companies defensive patent portfolio. At the time of research, the development was being done for innovative reasons, but for reasons of cost, strategy etc the innovation is put on the backburner over time.

Hence it is likely to be difficult to stipulate what is a ‘defensive’ patent and what is an ‘innovative’ patent, particularly at the time of filing, and it is difficult to see how this can be resolved without making the patent system even more unwieldy (e.g reviewing the use of a patent over time)

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By: Richard Kirk http://gowers.openrightsgroup.org/2006-03/6/comment-page-1/#comment-21 Richard Kirk Thu, 16 Mar 2006 11:34:17 +0000 http://gowers.openrightsgroup.org/?p=6#comment-21 I worked for Canon, and went on their patent course in Tokyo. At the time, Canon was second in the world to IBM in filing patents, filing about 70,000 patents per year (this figure may seem high but Japanese patents tend to favour a single major claim so a typical western patent may become several separate Japanese ones). The company tended to file about 30% invention patents, and about 70% tactical patents. There is also no clear boundary to 'tactical' patenting - many patents have some 'tactical' nature as they anticipate the finished product and its market. Tactical patenting is not necessarily an immoral thing to do. If you company has a large and effective patents department, then you should have a collection of bright people who can spot 'crossover hits' were an innovation in one field can be applied in a completely different field. Such 'crossover hits' are often very valuable - they can go directly to a useable product without the heavy R&D risk. And, if they don't to it, someone else will. What we need is some way of reducing tactical patenting. We can only do this with clear and fair rules. Disallowing software patents is a very good case of such a rule. I do not believe there is any absolute argument why software patents should not be allowed - but I do feel the arguments for allowing them are very poor, and preventing them will also do away with much unnecessary work. If I was still doing patents for Canon, I would regard a worldwide ban on software patents as a relief - relief that we no longer have to work against the threat of being tactically outmanoeuvered by other companies. The other side of the coin would be we would also lose the slight possibility of downing a hated rival using a software patent, but I could happily forgo that and all the risks involved. MEMS technology allows us to make much smaller versions of familiar designs. It is far from clear whether translating a maroscopic device into a microscopic, integrated device is invention or just good design. Patenting a second use for a patented drug is allowed - this encourages us to re-investigate already tested compounds instead of having to endlessly innovate new ones, but it is capable of being used tactically. However, there seems little case for anti-tactical patent rulings in these fields unless we first forbid software patents. I worked for Canon, and went on their patent course in Tokyo. At the time, Canon was second in the world to IBM in filing patents, filing about 70,000 patents per year (this figure may seem high but Japanese patents tend to favour a single major claim so a typical western patent may become several separate Japanese ones). The company tended to file about 30% invention patents, and about 70% tactical patents. There is also no clear boundary to ‘tactical’ patenting – many patents have some ‘tactical’ nature as they anticipate the finished product and its market.

Tactical patenting is not necessarily an immoral thing to do. If you company has a large and effective patents department, then you should have a collection of bright people who can spot ‘crossover hits’ were an innovation in one field can be applied in a completely different field. Such ‘crossover hits’ are often very valuable – they can go directly to a useable product without the heavy R&D risk. And, if they don’t to it, someone else will.

What we need is some way of reducing tactical patenting. We can only do this with clear and fair rules. Disallowing software patents is a very good case of such a rule. I do not believe there is any absolute argument why software patents should not be allowed – but I do feel the arguments for allowing them are very poor, and preventing them will also do away with much unnecessary work. If I was still doing patents for Canon, I would regard a worldwide ban on software patents as a relief – relief that we no longer have to work against the threat of being tactically outmanoeuvered by other
companies. The other side of the coin would be we would also lose the slight possibility of downing a hated rival using a software patent, but I could happily forgo that and all the risks involved.

MEMS technology allows us to make much smaller versions of familiar designs. It is far from clear whether translating a maroscopic device into a microscopic, integrated device is invention or just good design. Patenting a second use for a patented drug is allowed – this encourages us to re-investigate already tested compounds instead of having to endlessly innovate new ones, but it is capable of being used tactically. However, there seems little case for anti-tactical patent rulings in these fields unless we first forbid software patents.

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By: David Mytton http://gowers.openrightsgroup.org/2006-03/6/comment-page-1/#comment-5 David Mytton Tue, 14 Mar 2006 17:28:43 +0000 http://gowers.openrightsgroup.org/?p=6#comment-5 Whilst defensive patents are a legitimate business strategy, I believe they should not be allowed. If a patent is not being used commercially then it should be revoked, or some similar action. It is unfair for one firm to hold a monopoly in the market by preventing other firms developing the same invention that just happen to be patented in the past. There is no benefit to anyone other that the firm who holds the patent. The consumer doesn't get a product they may have had originally, and there is no competition encouraging innovation. Whilst defensive patents are a legitimate business strategy, I believe they should not be allowed. If a patent is not being used commercially then it should be revoked, or some similar action. It is unfair for one firm to hold a monopoly in the market by preventing other firms developing the same invention that just happen to be patented in the past. There is no benefit to anyone other that the firm who holds the patent. The consumer doesn’t get a product they may have had originally, and there is no competition encouraging innovation.

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