Comments on: http://gowers.openrightsgroup.org/2006-03/4/ Open Rights Group Fri, 21 Apr 2006 15:33:54 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9.2 hourly 1 By: James http://gowers.openrightsgroup.org/2006-03/4/comment-page-1/#comment-43 James Tue, 18 Apr 2006 18:14:33 +0000 http://gowers.openrightsgroup.org/?p=4#comment-43 It would help if all sides could agree not to use the term "IP" (or derivatives thereof) and to realise that Copyright, Trademarks and Patents are all distinct areas of law (and should remain so as they fulfill different functions). It would help if all sides could agree not to use the term “IP” (or derivatives thereof) and to realise that Copyright, Trademarks and Patents are all distinct areas of law (and should remain so as they fulfill different functions).

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By: Richard Kirk http://gowers.openrightsgroup.org/2006-03/4/comment-page-1/#comment-28 Richard Kirk Fri, 17 Mar 2006 10:17:20 +0000 http://gowers.openrightsgroup.org/?p=4#comment-28 The principle and operation of most of the patent system is fairly straightforward. Yes, the syntax rules in the claims are a bit strange, and there are strange words like 'plurality' which can faze newbies, but are essential when you cleanly need to distinguish between "zero, one or more", "one or more", and "more than one". If this sounds a bit silly, remember the Kodak vs Polaroid case, where $900M damages rested on whether the swapping of magenta and cyan dye layers in a film was an innovation becasue the Polaroid claims hadn't explicitly mentioned other orders, though it could easily have done so without weakening its original case. What went wrong there? This sort of thing commonly happens when companies have a patent department that takes a lot of the burden of writing and proofing the patent from the inventor. Large companies (and German companies, in my experience) seem to fall into this trap, and issue patents which are very restrictive (sometimes to the particular product), missing trivial generalizations, and quite often mistaking the inventive step entirely. There are other people who want to have a patent for their company, because they see it as a Certificate for being Very Clever. Often it isn't that. if it is very clever and very obscure, then the obscurity may be protection enough. The things that need patenting are the very obvious things. Example: the Sony Walkman was lighter and cheaper than other cassette players because it did not have a record button. Really obvious when you see one, but they were the first to see it. The complexities mostly arise from the changing nature of patents - are algorithms patentable? - are living organizims patentable? - are business methods patentable? Case law is like that. Unless you restrict the nature of innovation and protgress, we will always be feeling our way. If we are going to simplify matters, the thing that would help most is a good book, website, or blog. Most people's problems with patents are fairly trivial and cureable. And the other bits, no-one understands. The principle and operation of most of the patent system is fairly straightforward. Yes, the syntax rules in the claims are a bit strange, and there are strange words like ‘plurality’ which can faze newbies, but are essential when you cleanly need to distinguish between “zero, one or more”, “one or more”, and “more than one”. If this sounds a bit silly, remember the Kodak vs Polaroid case, where $900M damages rested on whether the swapping of magenta and cyan dye layers in a film was an innovation becasue the Polaroid claims hadn’t explicitly mentioned other orders, though it could easily have done so without weakening its original case.

What went wrong there? This sort of thing commonly happens when companies have a patent department that takes a lot of the burden of writing and proofing the patent from the inventor. Large companies (and German companies, in my experience) seem to fall into this trap, and issue patents which are very restrictive (sometimes to the particular product), missing trivial generalizations, and quite often mistaking the inventive step entirely.

There are other people who want to have a patent for their company, because they see it as a Certificate for being Very Clever. Often it isn’t that. if it is very clever and very obscure, then the obscurity may be protection enough. The things that need patenting are the very obvious things. Example: the Sony Walkman was lighter and cheaper than other cassette players because it did not have a record button. Really obvious when you see one, but they were the first to see it.

The complexities mostly arise from the changing nature of patents – are algorithms patentable? – are living organizims patentable? – are business methods patentable? Case law is like that. Unless you restrict the nature of innovation and protgress, we will always be feeling our way.

If we are going to simplify matters, the thing that would help most is a good book, website, or blog. Most people’s problems with patents are fairly trivial and cureable. And the other bits, no-one understands.

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By: Louise Ferguson http://gowers.openrightsgroup.org/2006-03/4/comment-page-1/#comment-1 Louise Ferguson Mon, 13 Mar 2006 23:23:22 +0000 http://gowers.openrightsgroup.org/?p=4#comment-1 It is not just business awareness that is an issue. In the digital terrain, ordinary consumers (both adults and children), are increasingly being required to have an understanding of a very opaque system of IP. It is not just business awareness that is an issue. In the digital terrain, ordinary consumers (both adults and children), are increasingly being required to have an understanding of a very opaque system of IP.

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